Friday, August 20, 2021

Truly Madly Guilty, by Liane Moriarty

 

Characters

Sam Hart

Clementine – celloist

Holly and Ruby - daughters

 

Pam – Clementine’s mother

 

Erika

Oliver

 

Sylvia – Erika’s mother, hoarder

Vid

Tiffany – former stripper

Dakota

Harry – cranky neighbor, died alone, found by Oliver and Tiffany

 

Steve Lunt – Harry’s great-nephew

 

Andrew – parent at Saint Anastasias who knew Tiffany in her previous life

Gave Tiffany large amount of money for sex which provided the financial basis for her real estate business

 

For Discussion:

NOTE: Page numbers are from hardback edition.

1.      Discuss the problem of hoarding.  Erika felt that “every piece of junk represented a choice her mother had made of an object over Erika” (page 165).   Should, or could, Erika have been more understanding?

2.      Was it fair of Pam to ask Clementine to be Erika’s friend?   Should she have seen eventually how this bothered Clementine and allowed her to pull back?

3.      Why was Erika stealing things from Clementine?

4.      How much did Erika affect Clementine?  Toward the end of the novel Clementine wondered “if her entire personality was a fabrication, nothing more than a response to Erika’s personality.   You are like this, so therefore I am like that” (page 336).

5.      What would Clementine’s life have been like without Erika?  Clementine compared Erika to her cello’s wolf tone and the effect of the eliminator, and wondered if her life “would have lacked something subtle but essential without her [Erika] in it; a certain richness, a certain depth” (page 342).

6.      Could you understand Sylvia’s feelings about Pam, especially when she learned that Clementine might donate her eggs to Erika?  She thought “My grandchild will be Pam’s grandchild.  It’s not enough that she has to take my daughter, oh no, now she can lord it over me with this” (page 319).  Should she have been more grateful to Pam?

7.      Was Ruby falling into the fountain and almost drowning “bad luck” as Clementine said or “negligence” as Sam recounted (page 249)?

8.      On the night of the accident, Holly told Oliver and then Pam that she had pushed Ruby.  Oliver told her to whisper she was sorry to Ruby and Pam told her that she really didn’t push her and to put it out of her mind.   Were these the best ways to handle the situation?

9.      Dakota felt guilty about what happened because she went inside to read when she was bored playing with Holly and Ruby.    Are her feelings understandable?  Should her parents have realized this earlier and intervened?

10.  What did you think about the revelation that Tiffany had been a stripper and the pretend lap dance she performed at the barbeque?  Why did any of the adults think that was an appropriate thing to do?  If that event had not happened, would the next event of Rudy falling into the fountain have happened?

11.  What did the substory of Harry add to the novel?

12.  In the last chapter, Clementine is starting to feel that Erika is distancing herself.   Then, on the last page, she wonders “what sort of person Erika could have been, would have been, should have been, if she’d been given the privilege of an ordinary home. You can jump so much higher when you have somewhere safe to fall” (page 415).   How might Erika have been different if she had grown up in a more normal environment?

13.  As you were reading, what did you think happened at the barbeque?   Were you tempted to look ahead to find out what had happened?

14.  Did you like the way the story was written, with the event a mystery?  How would the book have been different if the reader had known what happened from the beginning?

15.  If you read the book again for this discussion, how was your reading experience given that you knew from the beginning what had happened?

The Four Winds, by Kristen Hannah

 

Characters

Wolcott:

Elsinore “Elsa”

Parents

Two sisters

 

Martinelli:

Rose

Tony

Raffaello “Rafe”

 

Elsa and Rafe’s children

Loreda

Anthony

Hugh Bennett – Conservation Corp, Texas

 

Dewey family – campground in California

Jeb – father

Jean - mother

Mary, Buster, Elroy, and Lucy

 

Jack Valen – union organizer

 

Mrs. Quisdorf – librarian

 

Welty Farms

 

For Discussion:

NOTE: Page numbers are from the hardback edition.

1.       What did you think about Elsa’s parents?   Why did they keep her inside the house and tell her she was sick?  Were they really concerned about her well-being or ashamed because she was not beautiful?  How were they able to so easily send her away and erase her from the family?

2.       When going to California, Elsa drove past her family’s home and saw that it was abandoned and falling apart.   Was that enough comeuppance for the family or did you want to know more?

3.       Who is to blame for Elsa becoming pregnant – Rafe, her parents, herself? 

4.       On page 75, Rafe told Loreda that he did not go to college and was still on the farm because, “I made a bad choice a few years back, and…well…sometimes your life is chosen for you.”   Loreda was the result of that bad choice.  Do you think he would give her up and change things if he could?

5.       As she grew older, around age 12, Loreda was extremely mean to Elsa.  Why didn’t Rafe intervene?

6.       When Rafe left for California, would he have taken Elsa and children if she had agreed right away to go along?  Did he really want to leave them behind?

7.       Rose told Elsa that she was “a woman more capable or love and commitment than anyone I ‘ve ever known.  You were the best thing that ever happened to my son. He’s a fool to have missed that” (page 135).  How was Rose able to help Elsa become a strong, confident woman?

8.       Rose also said that “What damage I did to Raffaello by loving him too much, I fear your parents did to you by loving you too little” (pages 135 &6).   How did the abundance of love harm Rafe?

9.       Were you surprised that Rose and Tony stayed behind when Elsa and children left for California?

10.   Discuss the writing.  Were you able to visualize or imagine the heat and dust storms after reading those passages?

11.   When Hugh Bennett from the Conservation Corp met with the farmers to present the government’s plan, he said their land was a “dire ecological disaster, maybe the worst in the country’s history, and you have to change your faming methods to stop it from getting worse” (page 147).   When Tony asked if it was the farmers’ fault, Bennett answered, “I’m saying you contributed” (page 147).  At this the farmers all walked out.  Could Bennett have presented his case better?

12.   Were you surprised at the treatment the workers received from everyone in the towns where they went to escape the dust storms and find work?  Could you understand how the town citizens felt?  

13.   There were many people who were kind to the travelers, such as Betty Ann and Ned at Betty Ann’s Beauty Shop.  Would you have welcomed strangers into your home like they did to shower?

14.   After the haircut, Loreda saw “the girl she’d been before all this. A dreamer, a believer” (page 273).  Have you ever experienced the transformation of a make-over or haircut?

15.   This is the perfect book for a library discussion group because of the importance of the library to Loreda.  Elsa gave her a library card for Christmas because she “knew that a library card – a thing they had taken for granted all of their lives – meant there was still a future.  A world beyond this struggle” (page 283).  How did the library help Loreda?  Why did the librarian accept Loreda without hesitation?  Would she have reacted the same if Loreda had gone in before the beauty shop makeover?

16.   Did you like Loreda?  Did your feelings for her change throughout the novel?

17.   Do you think this is a book that you will remember awhile after you have finished it?  Why or why not?  Will you recommend it to others?